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[Edited to add: In case there was any question, this post is about how grateful I am to my friends who identify as Christians, Buddhists, Pagans, and various buffet-style custom designer religions. It is about the kind of things that they would not do, which I can't even conceive them doing. When I started, I intended to bring that up as the point of this post. THANK YOU!]

From time to time I reiterate my position about faith as it concerns what I will and will not tolerate. I'm tolerant of anyone's devotional life. Granted, I may decline to praise it because I give myself permission to hold opinions; and I consider faith beliefs a reflection of the content of character, so it imposes a ceiling on intimacy. But I am pragmatic. That ceiling is probably higher than you think. I offer a wide range of friendship/association/relationship options.

What I do not tolerate is cheating. When you try to get your way with me or a group of other people by playing the faith card, you are manipulating us to win while being wrong.

This is no different from the line drawn in the sand by the wider social circles I travel in. Want to identify yourself as a Christian or an astrologer or what have you? I won't get prickly. Want to hold a worship service or practice voodoo rituals at a science fiction convention? We'll give you a room. However, if you start talking about the Lordship of Christ over the world, or whatever your religion's analogue is, this will not escape comment or scrutiny that you have just transitioned into a cheating asshole in your interpersonal transactions.

The only difference in this between me and fandom in general is that I'm one of the least politically correct. (Well, OK. Other than [livejournal.com profile] jer_.) It's fashionable to be all talk, and claim that ancient wisdom has something to offer*, and then totally ignore what it has to offer, while basking in the cost-free glow of superior enlightenment. I do not do this.

Sometimes I have been mistaken for an intolerant person. Why then am I involved in one particular project which offers nothing rewarding to me? (I will not name that project here, except that I assure you it is not a convention, it does not involve writing software, and it is not Lojban.) I have to summon vast reserves of toleration every single time I consume any of the product of that project. I do it in order to get out of my insulated bubble, and to get the other participants out of theirs. It's easy enough to mistake yourself for a tolerant person just by avoiding anyone who triggers you.

I've heard precious few of my friends offer an explicit rationale for where to draw the line of tolerance ([livejournal.com profile] jer_ has done so very well, thank you), but in practice they draw it in the right place. I will make the rationale explicit here.
When A believes something they can't prove to B, fine. But when A uses it as a reason for the group of A and B to make the choice that A wants to make, A is applying manipulating pressure to win while being wrong.

Even those who want to validate everyone around them will ally with me in this, when somebody uses their blind faith to vote on issues like sexuality. The voting booth is one place we get our way over other people. This imposes a responsibility to be able to defend that position.

Literalist bible-believers perceive this insistence on evidence to be monolithic secularism. But as I have attempted to show here, when reason and evidence end up as the default decision method of any pluralistic group, that isn't imposed artificially. It's a natural consequence of pluralism. Reason and evidence are neutral ground.

* Tolerant well-educated people, raise your patchouli-scented hand if you've read the Bible cover to cover. No? I have. Even Leviticus. I am Gother Than Thou. ;)

Date: 2007-10-15 07:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marahsk.livejournal.com
If following the scriptures were easy; everyone would be doing it.

Not true; surely that does apply to many people, but not everyone believes in the scriptures.

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