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nemorathwald ([personal profile] nemorathwald) wrote2004-09-27 11:21 am

Conflict In Niche Groups

In my wanderings around the web I've noticed that certain kinds of conflict happen to very certain kinds of projects. Take for instance Orion's Arm, a collaborative worldbuilding project creating a science-fiction universe which is supposed to be "hard SF," meaning they can't just make up fake science, they are constrained to not contradict what science currently knows in 2004. On their e-mail list there are frequent flame wars that usually involve personality politics rather than disagreements over science! I was reminded of that when artificially-designed religions have fallouts, such as Universism or Church of Virus. Artificially-constructed languages also come to mind. And yet all these are the very same people who have the greatest need to band together to succeed, because they serve a niche within a niche.

Ask yourself why the Klingon language is the most widespread artificial language ever (far more so than Esperanto), and no one who speaks Klingon could care less if it is "flawed." "Flawed" is a concept which doesn't seem to apply to it-- "flawed" according to what? Guess what happens to highly talented and valuable (in my opinion) constructed languages which are intended to be "ideal" for real use? They split into countless squabbling factions over seemingly irrelevant grammar mechanisms. These factions often consist of one person, who hopefully can converse with himself in his unique "perfect language." Also coming to mind is the schism between Extropians and the World Transhumanist Association, two organizations I love, both transhumanist groups, who have immeasurably more in common with each other than they do with the rest of the world.

No one questions or even notices the hideous inadequacies of the English language. Why? Because as a naturally evolved language you don't have a chance to "get in on the ground floor." It's not up for dispute-- you take it or leave it, and you can't leave it. Like Microsoft, or revealed religion, the usefulness of English as a common cultural hegemony makes it a standard unto itself. Similarly, in Klingon, a Hollywood scriptwriter invents it off-the-cuff without one-one-thousandth the blood sweat and tears put in over decades by the Lojban Committee, because that guy doesn't have to fear having to speak it. He puts his language into a movie that links it to Star Trek and presto. This man becomes the only standard by which it needs to be judged. If you want to know the subjective state of one author's mind about his fantasy world, you just ask him and that settles it, like Jesus.

In an artificially constructed religion, or a serious constructed language, or hard science fiction, the only standard against which to measure success in its creation is reality itself, in which much less can ever be dogmatically settled. So the participants, starting from a blank slate, feel like they have a chance to create Perfection. So then they will settle for nothing less than Perfection, and a church split ensues. Ironically, the reason monolithic traditions endure is that they're set in stone and the opinion of the participants doesn't matter.

Net communities never survive unless they cultivate a certain kind of indifference as a virtue. I mean patience and grace to people hurting our feelings. "Lower your expectations" is my mantra. Being within that niche within a niche is more than enough to ask. May niche groups have laser-like focus on what they have in common, and indifference to peripheral issues, and the wisdom to tell the difference.

Niche Warfare

[identity profile] cosette-valjean.livejournal.com 2004-09-27 12:51 pm (UTC)(link)
It is rather sad how these internet forums do tend to bicker. It seems they bicker more than if they were actually face to face. It amazes me that hurt feelings and emotional attachments and betrayals. People just seem to forget why they were involved to begin with. People should wait two days before posting anything rash or angry and they would realize how silly it is to sweat the small stuff. :-)

[identity profile] treebones.livejournal.com 2004-09-29 08:12 am (UTC)(link)
*nods* It's why the local fannish schisming baffles, and somewhat worries, me so much.

managing conflict in religious design philosophy

[identity profile] matt-arnold.livejournal.com 2004-10-01 07:26 am (UTC)(link)
In his essay Dancing With The Gods, Eric S. Raymond says: "The original coven I founded broke up in 1986 under circumstances that aren't relevant here, but which turned me off of group work for a while." I disagree. It is very relevant indeed, possibly the most neglected aspect and the most vulnerable to the fact that the observer is part of the system she is observing. In building a religion as he did, there are several stages to the project. It's not the whole of religious design philosophy of course, but it's something that plays into the dynamic, and to ignore it is to leave out important lessons about the whole.

The NoKidding group

[identity profile] matt-arnold.livejournal.com 2004-10-15 02:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Child-free people have the same problem, further illustrating what I'm talking about. It's universal among all groups. Sadly, I think any person who wants to avoid drama simply has to stay home and not have a life.

[identity profile] azetidine.livejournal.com 2006-06-24 03:30 am (UTC)(link)
The general dismay of these postings, and the inevitable mention of internet-group dysfunctions, also remind me of this article (http://www.shirky.com/writings/group_enemy.html), "A Group Is Its Own Worst Enemy".