Okay, now I understand where our POVs diverged. I apologize for being dense earlier, I was clearly misunderstanding your point. No, I certainly haven't been nearly fortunate enough to avoid "snake-oil salesmen" at all... I was understanding you to be saying that *all* peddlers of faith were lying, not a specific subset of those that do not believe but continue to peddle their brand of hokum... I agree, the latter catagory is most certainly lying.

Again, my apologies for being dense.